Tuesday, January 17, 2012

What's Your Pleasure?

We are talking about the Norwalk Public Schools and this is an open topic...
What would you like to discuss or let us know about?

42 comments:

  1. There were no representatives of the Red Apples at the Martin Luther King events. Even their leadership was missing. What does this say about them?

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  2. If you're gonna talk APPLES, ask about the interests they all have in propping up the Rookie.

    Let's see . . . . Haynie uses the Rookie to settle old scores (she can't stand half the folks on the BoE), the NEF leader has an interest in having the school department subsidize their after school program, Kimmel has a political score to settle with everyone who's not as bright as he is (according to Bruce, that includes everyone but him), and then you just have the rest of the limousine-liberals who know what best for all us poor folks and our children.
    So a group of bullies and demogods has a stooge in the central office-- that's news?

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  3. We need to get rid of the Rookie and replace her with someone who does NOT want the people mentioned above to have any influence on the school system. Anyone want to organize and show that our children are worth the fight?

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  4. Maybe a topic could be the role of the public in the budget process. I'd really like to see some discussion about how a parent can get involved.

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  5. Thanks, 6:34- finally someone else who doesn't care about all the insider political games that the pseudo-altruists want to play.
    How about asking the PTOC president to write a gust thread suggesting how we can get informed and involved?

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  6. I hear from some neighbors that Apples Top Dog is stirring the pot at Roton and Brookside - what's up with that?

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  7. As soon as I give this thread enough time so that people can air their problems, frustrations or even their satisfaction, I'll open up a new thread for parents (and others) to organize for the budget fight. Fair enough? Also, seems like we need a thread to get organized for the fight against the Rookie and her groupies. Any other topics that you want to see? Organization of parents is crucial! The Apples don't think others can organize. Don't prove them right.

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  8. Can someone tell me why the GE report that was just issued didn't include any real comments from the real (read: not political insiders or friends of Supt. Marks) parents? Lots of us folks took time to meet in the "focus" groups.
    I heard complaints about the lack of any reach-out to the larger community but didn't see that in the BoE packet this week. WHY?

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  9. If you feel the parents should assemble, and you want the PTOC to pull it together, then reach out to them. Don't stand behind anonymous comments and wait for someone else to do it for you. If you want to affect positive change, then start the ball rolling. Maybe the folks at PTOC are tired after planning meetings and getting low turnout. You can be part of the solution, or you can waste your time blogging and complaining that no one is doing anything to help.

    You can reach the PTOC through their website.

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  10. I'd like to see the second comment get some kind of development here.
    I see letters to the Editor to the Editor from this group, but NO ONE I know has ever been to a meeting (and my friends are all invovled in the PTO's). Is it true that RedApples is just the cronies who are the "leadership" team?
    Any of us could form "Parents Opposed to Opportunistic Politicos" and go online with the POOP Newsletter. Maybe we could form "General Organization for Making Accountablity Reform for Kids' Schools" (that would be "Go, Marks" for short). We can do this- we just need a catchy phrase, a belief that we are smarter and morally superior to any one who's not a member and one lap dog on the BoE to carry our water . . . . who's with me?

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  11. I usually attend the PTOC meetings, they are having their monthly meetings on Monday, and for the most part, their information is pretty good. Last year they tackled the budget fron the very beginning and this year they seamed to back off a bit. I can suspect that it is probabley due to how late the budget committee met and the recent presentation of the budget by Dr. Marks. I've been at every board and BOE finance meeting and I have, which I'm sure many feel the same way, no idea what to fight for. Sure, Steve has decreased the budget a bit but it is not enough to where the city is going to approve. I have yet to see a realistic number, a plan or realistic measures to this budget. Last year many parents came forward and made suggestions and those suggestions were tossed a side and yet BOE/Central office had a full year to reconsider the plans that many parents suggested - but they have yet to do that also. So what do we stand for and what should we support. I just don't know. I thought that voting for a new BOE team things would change but I have not seen any action from those folks yet. Perhaps Educated Yesterday may have some ideas that parents would support and fight for - I just need to know them.

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  12. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this appears to be the Internet site for Susan Mark's new pet project, The Core Curriculum. You need to read it, parents, because it's going to cost money for a whole new curriculum. Ask yourself if it is really necessary and if it is worth the money. She wants to buy a new curriculum? Did the Rookie do her research?

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    1. Site: http://www.coreknowledge.org/parents

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  13. Dear Sweet Naive Anonymous 8:56 AM-
    Let me help you see what's going on (and I don't mean in that funky Marvin Gaye way).
    Over the summer the Supt. wanted more people in Central Office (she wanted her favorite former Dir. of Elem. Ed and her fave middle school head honcho). She complained she needed a Director for Accountablity (but, shouldn't that be everyone's job especially if they're making at least doulbe when the average Norwalk family is making?). She tried to get a Director of Elementary Ed back in.
    She didn't get those jobs.
    So she has her friends write a report that doesn't blame her for any management problem but blames the lack of central office support. BINGO- Supt. Marks gets off the hook (so much for accountablity) and her friends/BoE fan club have an excuse to create a big-paying CO job (or 2) even if it means closing school libraries or destroying Briggs. Now that's what I call Ed Reform!

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  14. A couple of concerns that could be addressed in future threads---
    1. Who are the advisors guiding Supt. Marks and what is their agenda?
    2. Why is there such a hard sell to convince the public and the BoE about this new Common Core State Standard curriculum?
    3. Was the BoE irresponsible in starting to make cuts to the budget they had had for less than one month?
    4. How will the BoE evaluate the Superintendent? Should there be a public vote on the review?

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  15. EducatedYesterday -- When you say something like "Also, seems like we need a thread to get organized for the fight against the Rookie and her groupies", you abandon any pretense of impartiality or objectivity as far as this blog is concerned.

    A blog can be a perfectly fine organizing tool, but please -- let's have a little truth in advertising.

    "Norwalk"Speaks? Really? Norwalk? Sure, a number of people who have no use for the Superintendent speak here a lot, and generally to the exclusion of most other opinions, and I am sure give voice to a certain segment of public opinion. But the title of the blog implies something broader, not just an advocacy/organizing site for one point of view.

    I'd say keep the blog, but you should change the name.

    And now, let the calumny begin. :)

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    1. Dear 1:48 Anonymous,
      You assume a great deal. Let us put those assumptions out in the open so that I can reply.
      (1) It appears that you are assuming that I am a journalist, and therefore should be objective. I am neither a journalist nor am an objective reporter on this blog.
      (2) you assume that the only people who are attracted to this blog do not support the superintendent. I have never, nor will I ever delete any person or persons who wish to support the superintendent. Why are these peole who support her not arguing for her?
      (3) You are assuming, once again, that I am creating a place for people to organize against the budget or the superintendent. I am not creating a place, I am providing a place for people to organize IF THEY SO CHOOSE. Our bloggers gave me the idea that we needed to find a way to organize.
      (4) You don't seem to understand the name of the blog. ALL of Norwalk is invited to speak without fear of being deleted. I can't promise people will not be judged, but at least there is an outlet here for parents, teachers and the like. AND their anonymity is protected.
      If you don't like OR feel threatened by the blog, get out of the kitchen.

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    2. I happen to like Dr. Marks, think she still needs time to prove herself, but find it kind of goofy that she has these cheerleaders who attack anyone who doesn't worship her. I don't know if that's the way things always were in Norwalk so I read this blog to try to get some inside scoop.
      Some of the comments make me cringe- others make me laugh. For news I read The Hour, for a little insight I read NorwalkSpeaks. I used to read YourCt, and then NorwalkNet to get the same kind of insight.

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    3. "Let the calumny begin"? Looks like a certain Common Councilor is building vocabulary skills instead of caucusing with his fellow Dems (but that's just idle speculation).
      This is a BLOG- the new public square- it's not "clumny", it's healthy public discourse (apparently populated by more than a few fellow insomniacs).
      I'm sure Ed Yesterday, other than being torqued off that his parents gave him a lousy name, is good son and a fine citizen. Two hundred forty years ago, he'd have been sharing a printing press with Ben Franklin publishing a tell-all version of Common Sense.

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    4. Actually, Lisa, I think that 240 years ago he would have written about having "heard" that Benjamin Franklin was having a menage a trois with Marie Antoinette's sisters, about the "well known fact" that John Adams was regularly having lunch with his "pet" and the "rumors" that James Madison was in fact an octaroon.

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    5. Actually, John Adams didn't have time to have lunch with his pet. He was busy working.

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    6. Or having brunch.

      http://lincolnslunch.blogspot.com/2011/12/john-and-abigial-adams-and-first-new.html

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  16. Please keep this thread open until I have an answer to these questions: First, it is known that Sue Haynie is a member of the executive committee of the RED APPLES. We know that Lauren R. , the Director of Norwalk's Education Foundation is also on the executive committee for the RED APPLES. Question one: Is this considered a conflict of interest for a Board member,and if so, shouldn't Sue Haynie resign from the BOE? Question two: Does this mean that the NEF will only support RED APPLE initiatives? Question three: Does anyone know how much money the NEF has contributed to the NPS? They have an office free of charge on the third floor of City Hall.

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  17. Technically, there isn't a conflict of interest unless you're voting on things in which you have a financial interest. Haynie doesn't have a "conflict of interest" between RedApples and the BOE because RedApples doesn't make any money from the school department being a group of opinionated jerks.
    NEF is another story. It's a non-profit. It can't be involved in supporting political groups. RedApples is a political group-- it doesn't matter if they don't support any one political party, any one who knows them knows that they have a political agenda (just ask Haynie and Kimmel). The NEF Board should reel-in Rosatto or risk a problem with their tax exempt status.

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  18. 4:15 a.m.- time to read up on your Revolutionary Era social history. Gossip was indeed a serious concern for some members of the Continental Congress who feared that Franklin's social largesse might jeopardize his stanidng as a serious diplomat and the gravitas of the fledgling nation. Check out Edward Everett Hale's great collection of primary sources on the subject!

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    1. 9:00 AM: My choice of Franklin as the guy sleeping around was not a lucky guess, and I am fully aware both of the Founders' foibles and of how their supporters used to dirty up the other side with dark talk of scandal and innuendo (some of which we now know to be true, thanks to modern DNA testing).

      The point is that political gossip-mongers with an axe to grind have been with us since before the Flood, and a lot of what takes place on this site has a lot more to do with that somewhat dubious tradition than it does with any legacy of brave pamphleteers proclaiming universal ideals.

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    2. I wish I knew who had these inside tracks on everything- but, damn if the "rumors" and "innuendo" aren't right on the money.
      I heard an awful lot of commotion about the GE Capital meeting when the Marks' group tried to present a re-organization plan that created jobs for them but minimized Dadonna as Asst. Supt. Part of the buzz was about the sheer chutzpah of the plan, the other part was about the indignation of folks currently on the 3rd floor who feel that Supt. Marks does not respect them.
      So, to my mind, this blog is quickly becoming the place I'll go to to see if I have a job come the end of June!

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  19. So was the principal at Nathan Hale up to his usual antics,1:51 PM?

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  20. Is Marks still trying to create central office jobs for her favorite people? Some things never change. Does the Board have anything to say about this GE meeting?

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    1. Whoa Whoa there cowboy, whats the matter? You seem to be Very aggitated by something here? who are her favorite people. If your that cowardly to make a statement like that, then start using names!!! what a behind the door bully! HAHA

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  21. start writing your name to your attacks, and there will be less attacks.
    if you have an opinion state with facts--stop hiding behind anonymous.

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  22. 4:49, I've heard that the principal that keeps promoting himself, a middle school principal, is on this blog. I'm wondering if he is also getting angry and posting as 'anonymous' here. Are you he? Maybe you need to stop hiding behind anonymous unless you are that person. Only then does your anonymity make any sense.

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  23. Let's not let hysteria overtake, ok?
    No one who's posting anonymously is whacking anyone in the anti-Marks crowd, so I don't think any one can accuse McCain, or Marrinacchio or even Haynie for blogging here.

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  24. McCain, Marrinacchio and Haynie......Well at least one person knows the names of the top groupies.

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  25. Just to help Educatedyesterday--- it seems like we'd like to see a thread about the GE Report and a thread about eh Supt.'s advisors. SOUNDS GOOD TO ME.

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  26. What better way to lighten the tone here than a brief musical interlude from future BoE member Kermit the Frog (because, let's be serious, like half the BoE members, Kermit always has someone else's words coming out of his mouth)
    [cue banjo to the tune of "Rainbow Connection"]

    Why are there so many blogs about the Rookie
    And just what she can’t decide
    Rookie has vision- or is it illusion
    But she should have nothing to hide
    So we've been told by the Apples and others
    Give her more time--wait and see
    Someday we'll find it, the Rookie’s achievement.
    For students and taxpayers like me

    -- la la lalala . . . . [2nd verse]

    Who said two hundred grand, could buy us a leader
    To bring all our kids up to par
    But saving her friends’ jobs became more important
    And we haven’t come too far
    What’s so frustrating, besides the job creating
    Is that we do not know if she’ll flee
    But, maybe we’ll find it, the Rookie’s excuses
    For students and taxpayers like me . . . .

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    1. Aaah, thinly disguised political commentary and a plug for The Muppets which is nonw out on DVD. http://disney.go.com/muppets/
      Clearly an unintendend consequence of the Citizens United case.

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  27. YOUR ALL PATHETIC. ANTI- THIS AND ANTI- THAT. GET A LIFE OUTSIDE OF DEGRADING PEOPLE ANONYMOUSLY ON BLOGS.

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  28. 5:38- you're shouting.
    I agree that some touches of negativity might be permeating this hallowed ground of political expression.
    I have to acknowledge also that I chuckled when I sang along to the Muppett Song.
    So, lighten up.

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  29. This blog isn't going to go away. We are here to try to keep the system working in the best interests of kids. There's a lot of 'in the best interest' going on, but NOT in the best interest of kids. We are here to keep things transparent, or as transparent as we can possibly get. We are here to practice freedom of speech. I respect your freedom to call us names, can you respect our freedom of speech?

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